Carey says that the 4th sign that your church is ready to meet unchurched people is that, "4. You’re good with questions."
HE clarifies by saying "This one’s still hard for me. I like to think that every question has an answer. I think one of the reasons unchurched people flee churches is they feel shut down when every question they ask has a snappy or even quick answer. They will find answers, but you need to give them time. Embracing the questions of unchurched people is a form of embracing them."
Do you have all the answers? Most of us don't, but most of us do have answers that satisfies us. Interestingly enough, our answer may be VERY different from the answer that the Church down the street has. If we care about theology at all, then we probably picked our church because that's where we found the most satisfying answers t our big questions. I don't know about you, but some of the questions that I have about faith are BIG.
When faced with big questions, it can be tempting to find a satisfying answer, and accept it, rather than to dig into it and think critically about it.
It is one thing to have searched the scriptures and be confident in a biblically based answer to a difficult question.
It is another thing entirely to say "because God says so" without having a clue where in the Bible it says so, or how the answer is in keeping with the character of God.
An uninformed Christian, especially who insists they know the answers, can do more harm than good when it comes to reaching the lost.
We are called to make disciples, which means being disciples. We are told to teach people to obey everything Jesus commanded us. That means we need to know what he commanded... And I highly recommend where he said it, the context in which it was said, and how it is in keeping with the character of God as described in the entirety of scripture.
Until we are willing to do this, we won't be able to go into all the world and make disciples.
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Showing posts with label Carey Nieuwhof. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Carey Nieuwhof. Show all posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013
Thursday, April 11, 2013
Sign Post 3
Carey’s third sign that your church is ready to reach
unchurched people is Your attenders are prepared to be
non-judgmental.
"Unchurched people," he writes, "Do not come ‘pre-converted’. They will
have lifestyle issues that might take years to change (and let’s be honest,
don’t you?). Cleaning up your behavior is not a pre-condition for salvation, at
least not in Christianity. What God has done for us in Jesus saves us; not what
we have done for God. Is your congregation really ready to love unchurched
people, not just judge them? One of Jesus’ genius approaches was to love people
into life change. If your people can do that, you’re ready to reach unchurched
people.”
I’ve tried to steer clear of talking about my current church
while discussing Carey’s sign posts. But
I have to brag on them just a little.
One of the first things I noticed upon coming to church was
a guy in his 40’s to 50’s with a bright pink curly Mohawk sitting among a see of suits and ties. Observing him you could tell that he didn't feel a bit out of place, nor was he treated differently. When a giant, purple haired, biker-looking
guy showed up and sat in the front pew week after week, he was embraced and
loved, even when he threw up during a service… The folks at my church may generally look and act a certain way, but they don't judge other books by their covers.
I believe my church also does a good job letting at not expecting
people to act like Christians until they actually become Christians, and even
after they decide to follow Jesus they are allowed to ‘grow up’ before being
expected to ‘clean up’.
This doesn’t mean that sin is ignored. It just means that you don’t start pruning
before the seed has taken root, and had some time to grow.
Sign Post 2
Carey's second sign that your church is ready to reach the unchurched is that "People in your church actually know unchurched people."
This one was a blind spot for me for a VERY long time.
Growing up I went to Christian School, and went to church. My friends all came from one of those 2 places. Now I work in an office full of Christians and I go to church, and most of my friends come from those places, other than that I am with my wife and kids
It is hard to be evangelistic when you live in a bubble, like I do.
I used to say that it was a matter of calling. Some are called to plant seeds, and some are called to water them. I shrugged of any discomfort with the lack of personal evangelism in my life by telling myself that I was called to water seeds. Practically speaking, this meant that someone else brought them to church and I took it from there...
I compartmentalized the disciple making process. Saw it less like a result of deep relationships and more like an assembly line.
To be sure we all have different roles to play. God uses us as a body, and we all have different functions in the body. A young man from our youth group recently decided to follow Jesus. His journey began when he saw the difference in two young ladies who made that decision a year earlier. Curious about the changes in their lives, he asked them lots of questions. When they didn't know the answers, they asked me questions, and shared the answers with him. Eventually he came to a small group where one of our volunteers talked with him, then he had a conversation with one of the students he met at the small group, and during that conversation, made a decision to follow Jesus. This is a beautiful picture of the body of Christ. All kinds of different parts doing their work, resulting in eternal fruit.
A vital part of that process was two young ladies knowing an unchurched person. They were light, in the world where God had them. They lived out the scripture that tells us to "live such good lives among the pagans that they may see your good deeds and glorify your father who is in heaven".
We are told that a vital part of evangelism is to live our lives among the pagans.
So what do we do when we realize we are living in a bubble?
Well for me the answer is a wife who really understands this need to know and live among unchurched people. She is intentional about making sure that we have people in our lives who aren't part of the bubble. She gets uncomfortable in the bubble that is so natural for me. Living among the unchurched is one of the big reasons she started working outside the home again. It if wasn't for her, this would have remained a major blind spot in my life.
If you find yourself in a bubble, I don't presume to know what specific steps God wants you to take. I do know that if we don't make knowing unchurched people a priority, then aren't really making the great commission a priority.
This one was a blind spot for me for a VERY long time.
Growing up I went to Christian School, and went to church. My friends all came from one of those 2 places. Now I work in an office full of Christians and I go to church, and most of my friends come from those places, other than that I am with my wife and kids
It is hard to be evangelistic when you live in a bubble, like I do.
I used to say that it was a matter of calling. Some are called to plant seeds, and some are called to water them. I shrugged of any discomfort with the lack of personal evangelism in my life by telling myself that I was called to water seeds. Practically speaking, this meant that someone else brought them to church and I took it from there...
I compartmentalized the disciple making process. Saw it less like a result of deep relationships and more like an assembly line.
To be sure we all have different roles to play. God uses us as a body, and we all have different functions in the body. A young man from our youth group recently decided to follow Jesus. His journey began when he saw the difference in two young ladies who made that decision a year earlier. Curious about the changes in their lives, he asked them lots of questions. When they didn't know the answers, they asked me questions, and shared the answers with him. Eventually he came to a small group where one of our volunteers talked with him, then he had a conversation with one of the students he met at the small group, and during that conversation, made a decision to follow Jesus. This is a beautiful picture of the body of Christ. All kinds of different parts doing their work, resulting in eternal fruit.
A vital part of that process was two young ladies knowing an unchurched person. They were light, in the world where God had them. They lived out the scripture that tells us to "live such good lives among the pagans that they may see your good deeds and glorify your father who is in heaven".
We are told that a vital part of evangelism is to live our lives among the pagans.
So what do we do when we realize we are living in a bubble?
Well for me the answer is a wife who really understands this need to know and live among unchurched people. She is intentional about making sure that we have people in our lives who aren't part of the bubble. She gets uncomfortable in the bubble that is so natural for me. Living among the unchurched is one of the big reasons she started working outside the home again. It if wasn't for her, this would have remained a major blind spot in my life.
If you find yourself in a bubble, I don't presume to know what specific steps God wants you to take. I do know that if we don't make knowing unchurched people a priority, then aren't really making the great commission a priority.
Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Sign Post 1
Today
we will examine the first of Carey’s signs that your church is
ready to reach unchurched people.
Carey
Writes:
[the
first sign
that your church is ready to reach the unchurched is] Your main
services engage teenagers: I've talked with many church leaders
who want to reach unchurched people who can’t understand why
unchurched people don’t like their church. They would be stumped
until I asked them one last question: do the teens in your church
love your services and want to invite their friends? As soon as I
asked that question, the leader’s expression would inevitably
change. He or she would look down at the floor and say ‘no’.
Here’s what I believe: if teens find your main services (yes, the
ones you run on Sunday mornings) boring, irrelevant, and disengaging,
so will unchurched people. As a rule, if you can design services that
engage teenagers, you've designed a church service that
engages unchurched people.
Is
he really advocating that we should want our main church service to
be so shallow, and superficial that a narcissistic teenager would
actually enjoy coming to church?
Maybe,
but I think his point is that we should re-think who it is that attends our
largest gatherings.
In the church we tend to do the opposite. We offer intro level stuff in small groups, and intermediate and advance stuff to our largest audience.
Fixing this does not mean that we water down the message. Scripture is clear that the spiritual menu consists of both milk and solid food. I may prefer a good steak, but I will not deny the nutritional value of milk.
I will deny the nutritional value of Kool-aid.
But what if the mature crowd were to gather, not because they want a steak, because they have a deep desire to carry out the great commission: Go into all the world and make disciples.
What if this group of Christians, fully capable of grilling solid food in their own back yards all week long, comes together each week intent on using their combined gifts to reach those who do not yet know Christ.
This group of people would remind you that salvation requires that we deny ourselves and follow Jesus.
Jesus, whose life they are trying to imitate, gave up the comforts of heaven and took on the nature of a servant, for the sake of an unchurched world.
Thus, to them, aiming to engage on
the
level
of the teenager
no longer seems stupid, shallow or superficial.
Friday, February 1, 2013
Controversial II
I recently shared a post from Carey Nieuwhof. You can read it here. He is someone who challenges me to think outside of my 'box' all the time.
Because his post was, in my mind, so controversial, I asked for feedback, and since I don't get a lot of that here on the blog (not complaining just stating a fact) I put it out on facebook and via e-mail.
Here is the gist of some of the responses I got:
~ LOVE IT! I have seen so many ideas go to committee to die, let leaders lead!.
~ Everything in moderation, spend too much time trying to build consensus you'll never do anything, but if you never slow down long enough to think through your ideas with others, then you'll burn a lot of bridges and make some really bad decisions.
~ Lots and lots of verses from Proverbs about how success comes from seeking wise counsel.
~ If leaders don't make sure that absolutely everyone is on board with every the idea, they will destroy the church, the author is wrong, dangerously wrong!
I got a good range of answers! Exactly what I was hoping for.
One trusted advisor pointed me to Hans Finzel's book, "The Top Ten Mistakes Leaders Make", specifically the chapter on making room for "Mavericks" (I just happened to have a copy, and being home from work because I was sick yesterday I had plenty of time to read!) In this chapter Finzel talks about the life cycle of organizations. They tend to follow the life cycle of humans, not able to do much when they first start out, really awkward teenage years where they struggle to define themselves, vibrant adult life full of accomplishments, and a slow decline before eventually dying (or just decomposing). Finzel says that in the graying years, organizations need "Mavericks", people who defy convention, (and consensus) and are willing to buck the system enough to make it vibrant again. Effectively they take the organization back to it's adolescent stage, re-introduce it to the awkwardness of trying to define its identity. The organization then has 2 options. Change or continue the slide toward irrelevance.
Finzel cautions that you pay careful attention to the difference between a Maverick (Someone who has the goals of your organization at heart, just very different ideas about how to accomplish those goals) and a Malcontent (someone who just doesn't like what you are doing, or thinks their own personal way is the only way or wants to re-define your mission). He recommends evaluating the ideas of Mavericks, based on the objectives of the organization. Do they want to completely change your mission? If so, best to ignore their advice. Is their thinking completely different from the way you've always done things, but their passion is for the same mission you've always had? Maybe you need to give them room to grow.
Finzel concludes by saying that, "The best way to take the wind out of the sails of a visionary is to send their ideas to committee." Which is I believe the very same point Carey is trying to make.
So here is my take:
Don't kill ideas by sending them to committee. Instead, have standards (a measuring consistent measuring stick) for evaluating suggestions so that you can keep the good ones and filter out the bad ones!
Here is a sample set of standards:
1. Is it Biblical (if not, don't waste your time)
2. Is it in keeping with the mission of our organization (if you are running a nursing home ministry and someone wants to allocate resources to open a preschool, they may have come to the wrong place.)
3. Does the person presenting the idea demonstrate the following:
a. Experience (Maybe not the 5 decades of experience you have, but have they done some time in the trenches? after all you can't lead until you've learned to follow.)
b. Research (if someone is reading everything they can get their hands on about the topic, they are far more credible than people who won't show up to a meeting or read a book)
c. Passion (Please don't confuse passion with how loudly they speak! instead ask yourself, "Do they live the ministry they want your organization to be a part of?" )
d. A willingness to seek and take advice (if they won't listen to the Proverbs and won't take advice, they they can't be trusted with leadership. True leadership requires a submissive, servant's heart)
e. Willingness to work within the current system. (or do they refuse to volunteer until they get their way?)
What would you add to or subtract from the list?
Because his post was, in my mind, so controversial, I asked for feedback, and since I don't get a lot of that here on the blog (not complaining just stating a fact) I put it out on facebook and via e-mail.
Here is the gist of some of the responses I got:
~ LOVE IT! I have seen so many ideas go to committee to die, let leaders lead!.
~ Everything in moderation, spend too much time trying to build consensus you'll never do anything, but if you never slow down long enough to think through your ideas with others, then you'll burn a lot of bridges and make some really bad decisions.
~ Lots and lots of verses from Proverbs about how success comes from seeking wise counsel.
~ If leaders don't make sure that absolutely everyone is on board with every the idea, they will destroy the church, the author is wrong, dangerously wrong!
I got a good range of answers! Exactly what I was hoping for.
One trusted advisor pointed me to Hans Finzel's book, "The Top Ten Mistakes Leaders Make", specifically the chapter on making room for "Mavericks" (I just happened to have a copy, and being home from work because I was sick yesterday I had plenty of time to read!) In this chapter Finzel talks about the life cycle of organizations. They tend to follow the life cycle of humans, not able to do much when they first start out, really awkward teenage years where they struggle to define themselves, vibrant adult life full of accomplishments, and a slow decline before eventually dying (or just decomposing). Finzel says that in the graying years, organizations need "Mavericks", people who defy convention, (and consensus) and are willing to buck the system enough to make it vibrant again. Effectively they take the organization back to it's adolescent stage, re-introduce it to the awkwardness of trying to define its identity. The organization then has 2 options. Change or continue the slide toward irrelevance.
Finzel cautions that you pay careful attention to the difference between a Maverick (Someone who has the goals of your organization at heart, just very different ideas about how to accomplish those goals) and a Malcontent (someone who just doesn't like what you are doing, or thinks their own personal way is the only way or wants to re-define your mission). He recommends evaluating the ideas of Mavericks, based on the objectives of the organization. Do they want to completely change your mission? If so, best to ignore their advice. Is their thinking completely different from the way you've always done things, but their passion is for the same mission you've always had? Maybe you need to give them room to grow.
Finzel concludes by saying that, "The best way to take the wind out of the sails of a visionary is to send their ideas to committee." Which is I believe the very same point Carey is trying to make.
So here is my take:
Don't kill ideas by sending them to committee. Instead, have standards (a measuring consistent measuring stick) for evaluating suggestions so that you can keep the good ones and filter out the bad ones!
Here is a sample set of standards:
1. Is it Biblical (if not, don't waste your time)
2. Is it in keeping with the mission of our organization (if you are running a nursing home ministry and someone wants to allocate resources to open a preschool, they may have come to the wrong place.)
3. Does the person presenting the idea demonstrate the following:
a. Experience (Maybe not the 5 decades of experience you have, but have they done some time in the trenches? after all you can't lead until you've learned to follow.)
b. Research (if someone is reading everything they can get their hands on about the topic, they are far more credible than people who won't show up to a meeting or read a book)
c. Passion (Please don't confuse passion with how loudly they speak! instead ask yourself, "Do they live the ministry they want your organization to be a part of?" )
d. A willingness to seek and take advice (if they won't listen to the Proverbs and won't take advice, they they can't be trusted with leadership. True leadership requires a submissive, servant's heart)
e. Willingness to work within the current system. (or do they refuse to volunteer until they get their way?)
What would you add to or subtract from the list?
Monday, December 10, 2012
Maybe We Need a Little Controversy
Once again Carey says what's on my mind in ways I can't.
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/12/why-you-should-create-discontent-in-your-organization/
I only wish I had learned his suggestions for how to do this in an edifying way 2 years ago.
For anyone who may have been hurt by the way I went about leading, I sincerly appologize. This was my heart.
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/12/why-you-should-create-discontent-in-your-organization/
I only wish I had learned his suggestions for how to do this in an edifying way 2 years ago.
For anyone who may have been hurt by the way I went about leading, I sincerly appologize. This was my heart.
Friday, November 2, 2012
A checklist for leaders.
Below is part of a recent Blog Post by Carey Nieuwhof. You can read more from him here:
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/11/a-critical-question-that-could-transform-your-leadership-style/
Carey Writes: "Here’s the question I’ve begun asking over the last few years. It’s become almost an all consuming question.
Are people better as a result of working with me?
Here are some ways to gauge whether the people around you are better off as a result of working alongside you or ‘for’ you:
If you can create a leadership culture like that, you will have truly led a great organization. Not everyone will stay forever, but they will have been better for having said “yes” when you ask.
What are you learning in this area? What might you add to the list of ways to ensure people are better for working with you? Is there a better way to frame the question?"
Again all of the above was written by Carey Nieuwhof - Read the entire post here:
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/11/a-critical-question-that-could-transform-your-leadership-style/
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/11/a-critical-question-that-could-transform-your-leadership-style/
Carey Writes: "Here’s the question I’ve begun asking over the last few years. It’s become almost an all consuming question.
Are people better as a result of working with me?
Here are some ways to gauge whether the people around you are better off as a result of working alongside you or ‘for’ you:
- Have they grown spiritually?
- Has their leadership ability increased?
- Has their character developed and deepened?
- Are they closer to God?
- Are they better people?
- Have they accomplished significant things in the course of serving?
- Do they have a keen sense that God is using them to make a difference?
- Are their families glad they signed up?
- Do they feel more fulfilled?
If you can create a leadership culture like that, you will have truly led a great organization. Not everyone will stay forever, but they will have been better for having said “yes” when you ask.
What are you learning in this area? What might you add to the list of ways to ensure people are better for working with you? Is there a better way to frame the question?"
Again all of the above was written by Carey Nieuwhof - Read the entire post here:
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/11/a-critical-question-that-could-transform-your-leadership-style/
Monday, September 17, 2012
This Kicked my Butt.
I sat down with my coffee, to enjoy a little reading before starting my day at the office. To my great delight, there was a post from my favorite blogger. It was even on a topic that I am really wrestling with. I thought to myself, "Pumpkin coffee and and a Carey Nieuwhof post on leadership, a perfect start to my morning".
Then I read the post and got my butt kicked. I hope you enjoy, and are challenged.
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/09/the-number-one-reason-you-and-the-people-you-lead-dont-change/
Then I read the post and got my butt kicked. I hope you enjoy, and are challenged.
http://careynieuwhof.com/2012/09/the-number-one-reason-you-and-the-people-you-lead-dont-change/
Sunday, August 5, 2012
The Overweight Christian (Leader) | careynieuwhof.com
The Overweight Christian (Leader) | careynieuwhof.com
I love reading this guy's blog. Usually I ask why didn't I think of that, on rare occasions I can say "why couldn't I have said it like that". This post is one of these occasions. If you have been in or around our youth group you may remember the lesson we did after watching WALL-E. This is what I was trying to say, only in fewer, far more carefully chosen words.
I love reading this guy's blog. Usually I ask why didn't I think of that, on rare occasions I can say "why couldn't I have said it like that". This post is one of these occasions. If you have been in or around our youth group you may remember the lesson we did after watching WALL-E. This is what I was trying to say, only in fewer, far more carefully chosen words.
Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Stop Reading My Blog and Go Read This.
About a year ago I read a book co-authored by a Pastor named Carey Nieuwhof entitled, "Parenting Beyond your Capacity". I found his book to be excellent and gave copies to a few close friends and to some parents at church. All reviews have been positive.
This past year at the Orange Conference I heard him speak about local church leadership and structure, and was stunned by the simple yet effective ideas he shared. So as I thought I'd look him up and see if he had any books on the subject. What I found instead was his blog. careynieuwhof.com. I highly recommend it.
This past year at the Orange Conference I heard him speak about local church leadership and structure, and was stunned by the simple yet effective ideas he shared. So as I thought I'd look him up and see if he had any books on the subject. What I found instead was his blog. careynieuwhof.com. I highly recommend it.
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